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TheresNoTime

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Request withdrawn per the below — local bureaucrats probably not needed here yet! — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 13:22, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Bureaucrat elsewhere (admittedly only on test/test2, if they count!), with generalised experience in administration and bureaucratic duties (namely during my time as a steward). I'm happy to continue helping here temporarily with shifting this role back into the community. Per the emergent concensus at WF:CHAT§Process for community roles, this request should probably "start as we mean to go on", and follow the proposal laid out by 0xDeadbeef. — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 12:52, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Support Support either temp bureaucrat (until aug 8) or permanent with the extension of their adminship (but not perm crat with temp admin). I originally opposed their steward reconfirmation but I don’t think my reasoning for that sands here (time has passed ect…) Terasail [✉️] 13:03, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Weak oppose pending clarification from the WMF. When I wrote that proposal I forgot about the process of Stewards granting permissions to relatively small Wikis, so I wrote that the WMF should handle user groups requests temporarily, but I think having Stewards do this job for now might be good enough. Since this is more so a "WMF-owned wiki", I'd like to hear from the WMF about whether they want Stewards to handle the permission requests here since the stewards would have more experience handling small wikis without a large foundation of policies through consensus. According to meta:Steward requests/Permissions/Minimum voting requirements#Bureaucrat, "the local community must be large enough to require a bureaucrat". Before we are "large enough", I don't see why we can't just forward permission requests to Meta. 0xDeadbeef (talk) 13:07, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
A very good point, and one I hadn't considered either 😅 It would make sense to pass this to the stewards until such a time the local community here requires 'crats — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 13:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
It is a good point and since wiki function staff are still handling functioneer requests it might be simpler to offload since there probably wont be that many requests to be handled here Terasail II [✉️] 13:17, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
@TheresNoTime, Terasail, and 0xDeadbeef: Thanks for raising this! We definitely don't want for this to feel like a "WMF-owned wiki", but at the same time in the early stages we're carefully giving out the Wikifunctions-specific rights (just Functioneer, for now) in a very limited way, based on security and performance considerations.
We hope that the local community soon starts writing some policy pages for how users with each of the rights, including Functioneers and Maintainers, are expected to behave, where new Functions are expected to be proposed, etc., so that we are ready to hand off appointment responsibilities in a gradual manner when we are all ready for that.
We'd be delighted for a community process to take over appointment of sysops, translation admins, and interface administrators, in the usual way, and you should definitely talk to the stewards about their advice on how to proceed – this should be a community decision, not shaped by the Foundation. You probably should post on the stewards noticeboard to seek their thoughts on how to kick-start the community's processes – they're definitely experts in this, as are many of you. (If the community is going to have local bureaucrats, we'll have to make some tweaks during this early phase to not provide them with the powers to give out the Wikifunctions-specific rights until we're ready to transfer that.)
We've been handing out initial rights as we committed to in our release plan, but only in a time-limited fashion, and of course those are all subject to community review – if you think someone is not using their rights in the way that you expect, please talk to them, discuss in an appropriate venue, or with the stewards if you think it's an emergency.
Sorry for any confusion arising from this unusual circumstance! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
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Fokaczino

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I would like to help with the translations so that this new project can grow in many languages! I would like the Polish community to be involved in the project. I will be contributing here as a volunteer from the Fokaczino account. I am a community support coordinator at Wikimedia Polska (see Paulina Studniczka (WMPL) account), so I will have the opportunity to promote the project among the Polish community. Fokaczino (talk) 22:11, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Fokaczino, thank you very much for the offer! I checked your 2 accounts, and it doesn't look like you have the "translation administrator" user-right elsewhere yet. Are you experienced with the Translation tool's admin-features from a private wiki? If so, great! If not, that's also fine! However it is a relatively error-prone software-system if the processes aren't followed precisely, so it's best to get a lot of experience with using it as a translator (and reading the documentation), before becoming a translation-admin.
Note that nobody needs to be a "translation admin" to help translate pages - everyone can do that! - the Translation admin user-right is only needed for certain steps at the beginning, and when a base page is changed. (Here's an example diff where half the changes edits are by humans and half by the software, and more details and links are at mw:Help:Extension:Translate. It takes a while to learn, and regularly confuses most wiki-experts!). My apologies if you knew all of that already! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 00:29, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose not a translation administrator on any project. You can help translating pages without being a translation administrator. 0xDeadbeef (talk) 06:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose per above --Ameisenigel (talk) 14:00, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
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Ebrahim

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I've just made this change and noticed I need this right to approve this minor fix. I hold the same right in Wikimedia Commons also and have done and will apply fixes like the linked one and maybe review and approving changes of others. −ebrahimtalk 20:12, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Ameisenigel: I understand your point. I usually use my rights whenever I see an issue like the linked one in important pages like the main pages. When I don't see an issue, I don't even feel the need for the right as didn't even apply for the right before seeing the issue. I referred to having the right to show I'm already have the experience with the system to fix things I see otherwise I didn't request for the right say in Wikidata where I didn't see any issue there. Hopefully that makes it to sound acceptable, if not I wouldn't care to retract my request as I'm not going to be that active with it as I just want to fix issues I see on the important pages using it and number of changes for that may not be that high. −ebrahimtalk 21:36, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
@Ebrahim Actually, you should be able to grant yourself the right. Go to Special:UserRights/Ebrahim. —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Mdaniels5757: I didn't know to be honest, not sure how to proceed now now that I've requested it here. −ebrahimtalk 21:50, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
@Ebrahim Unless you want to wait for this to be closed, you can just self grant the permission, and withdraw this request. Or you can wait for it to be closed and then self-grant. I would advise you to just withdraw this request and just self-grant the group. Terasail[✉️] 17:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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Stang

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To do some syntax markup and cleanup. I already hold TA flag on lots of projects. Stang 11:53, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


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Minorax

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Would like to help out with the translation stuff here. Minorax (talk) 04:28, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


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Terasail

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I have been editing and creating a few Wikifunctions pages, and intend to continue to do this. I don't hold the permission on any other project but this could be useful for me to mark pages when they reach an appropriate level. Terasail[✉️] 11:22, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Special:Diff/37528/37837 This is an example of what a translation admin shouldn't do. Minorax (talk) 14:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't realise you can't reuse the tags, apart from that I was just following the markup on the other user group pages done by others which I assumed was correct. Terasail[✉️] 14:39, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose missing experience --Ameisenigel (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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Minorax (2)

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Discussion open until 06:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Requesting sysop here. I'm a sysop elsewhere and I'd definitely make it easier for me to clean stuff up here. I do have admin rights here due to me being a global sysop but it out of its scope to be used here for maintenance purposes.
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Ebrahim (2)

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Discussion open until 18:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
I've requested for admin and interface editor rights before and right now I have the rights temporarily but I think it would be better to get those rights from the community so more common rules like inactivity policy can be applied instead as I can understand from this discussion. I've already mentioned the reasons I like to be an admin in Wikifunctions and areas I like to participate and how the rights would help me in my previous request but since getting the rights back then, I actually have used them to deliver what I mentioned there and I've created a tool and a gadget among some minor other things which wasn't possible without those rights so I like to keep the needed rights—both the interface editor to edit scripts and admin right to test privileged actions with the tools—to maintain the scripts the far I would be able to participate in Wikifunctions and I like to develop new tools when I see the community need if my technical abilities allows it and if I can develop them in the time I can put here as a volunteer. Sure as an admin and interface editor also in Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons I would be careful with these rights and sure as long as something new and interesting is going here I'll try to be active and even if I wouldn't be able to be fully active here, I'll try to do essential things to do maintenance of things I've developed that probably would be harder for others. Thanks! −ebrahimtalk 18:26, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
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Manjiro5

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Discussion open until: 23:04, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi all, I would like to become an administrator. I think you are wondering why. Firstly, I would like to become a sysop so that I can best prevent vandals from entering Wikifunctions, when it is open to everyone, and take the appropriate actions when the opportunity arises, although I know very well that there won't be any vandalism anytime soon and that you don't necessarily need the sysop role to do this. The other and main reason is that I could do much more maintenance than before, and make Wikifunctions quality and for everyone. Thank you very much for taking the time and the trouble to read my short application and hoping that you will like it. Have a nice day/night. Regards,Manjiro5 (talk) 23:04, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Support Support --Ameisenigel (talk) 06:52, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Support Support Has done some good work here so far. I trust them. --Ferien (talk) 10:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose While I believe Manjiro5 to be of good faith, I think they usually goes too fast in important decisions, without consensus and lack of discussion (example). — Envlh (talk) 08:00, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
    Hi, Wikifunctions and the french-speaking Wikipedia are not the same thing., and it takes big changes for WP to evolve. So please don't quote my edits out of Wikifunctions which are unrelated. Regards, Manjiro5 (talk) 10:34, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
    @Envlh On the other hand, it is totally true that it happened to me to go too fast and without consensus on major changes, I'm sorry about that and it won't happen again ;-) And sorry for being a little rough with you, it was not my goal. Have a good afternoon.Regards, Manjiro5 (talk) 12:35, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Support SupportKoreller (talk) 12:59, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose: The above exchange with Envlh reinforces the claim that Manjiro5 can go "too fast in important decisions" considering their first response is somewhat confrontational. The argument that it happened elsewhere and doesn't matter here is just a bad argument to make, however their quick 'second response' appears to show some self awareness of this. I don't think that is the right time for Manjiro5 to be an administrator here considering their claimed focus on anti-vandal work, you don't need to be an administrator to take action against vandals and there is no real vandal activity on Wikifunctions at the moment. Being rash in such an area can result in blocks and page protections which could harm rather than help the community. Terasail[✉️] 14:02, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
    @Terasail Hi, thank you for your constructive opinion. Regards, Manjiro5 (talk) 15:47, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose: based on somewhat confrontational response above. Bongo50 (talk) 18:51, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose Oppose: as per the confrontational response above amongst other issues raised above. Zippybonzo (talk) 07:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
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