Wikifunctions talk:Human languages

proposal

this page could act as a wikiproject for natlangs -- tracking morphology function milestones, thus freeing up room at WF:catalogue and WF:suggest a function. Arlo Barnes (talk) 23:15, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

listeria

Could we use ListeriaBot and Wikidata to list the languages ? A template could do the rendering. TomT0m (talk) 11:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Works for me, although I'd request that someone other than me write the SPARQL to give to the bot; when I've tried before the bot kept giving me a blank output, so I must be doing something wrong. Arlo Barnes (talk) 16:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

@TomT0m and Arlo Barnes: we could use Listeria to list the languages (with this SPARQL query for instance: https://w.wiki/9ELv). But I see 2 main problems with that:

• Listeria wouldn't list the functions, nor it would allow to add functions to the generated list.
• the data on Wikidata are a bit messy and not complete, not sure we could reproduce the hierarchy of the current page.

So I guess it depends on what we want to do with this list... (since most languages don't have a function right now, we may not need the full tree of human languages yet ; maybe we need to be practical first).

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 07:27, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Mostly the reason I thought to do hierarchical was so that languages with similar morphologies might end up adjacent (for example, the Celtic languages with their mutation rules). But since a practical listing approach would suggest use of subpages, it probably doesn't matter too much what the root page looks like. Arlo Barnes (talk) 09:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, hierarchy would be good (hence why Listeria maybe wouldn't be a good fit). Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 12:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

zed numbers

Maybe link to an available Z60 (nearly 1,000)?Special:ListObjectsByType/Z60 Maybe categorise each (relevant) Z60’s Talk page? Maybe categorise the Z60 Talk page Categories…? Maybe link to the Z60s and/or Categories in the Catalogue and Suggest pages? GrounderUK (talk) 12:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Interesting idea. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 12:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I sketched an idea based on the zed-numbers at WF:HL#Semitic and WF:HL#Artificial_and_constructed_languages, using user:Arlo Barnes/sandbox to see them in numerical order. The idea is that the subpages can either redirect to the talk page of a language's zee-number, or themselves be a place to coordinate work on functions related to that language (or language-script combo, as we see for some of them). Arlo Barnes (talk) 21:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure how much coordination work will happen at the talk pages of the Z-Objects related to a language. If it is announced at at the main page or a sub page I think I would find it. I hope there will be WikiProjects for specific languages. Big pages could cause longer loading times when having low bandwidth available. What do you think about talking to same smaller language user groups in Metawiki and inviting them to start a WikiProject for their language to collect morphological functions. Hogü-456 (talk) 21:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hmm… Going back to the original response that this hangs under (mine), categorizing Z60 talk pages is just a workaround because we can’t categorize the main page. If I understand @Arlo Barnes correctly, any actual discussion would take place at some level in the hierarchy that the redirects point to. That’s not something I object to but perhaps lower level talk pages could be transcluded at a higher level. It works tolerably well if there is no need for archiving (obviously, low-bandwidth users could avoid these larger pages by interacting at the lower level. On your closing point, I’m all in favour, now that we have Natural numbers with which to specify the length of strings and so forth. GrounderUK (talk) 22:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Template:Unindent Yes, ZObject pages can't take categories, but all the talk pages can (see this example). Arlo Barnes (talk) 00:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

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