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Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #178 is out: Rewriting the backend

There is a new update for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we discuss how the team is working hard to rewrite Wikifunctions' backend, to overcome some of the limits we encountered with the current language.

Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check our archive!

Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next Volunteers' Corner will be held on November 4, at 18:30 UTC (link to the meeting).

Enjoy the reading! -- User:Sannita (WMF) (talk) 13:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Sannita (WMF) (talk) 09:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #179 is out: The dream of a Universal Language

There is a new update for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we talk about several presentation in and around the topics of languages and our work, we discuss the current refactoring of our functions catalogue and we take a look at the latest software developments.

Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check our archive!

Enjoy the reading! -- User:Sannita (WMF) (talk) 22:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Sannita (WMF) (talk) 14:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #180 is out: New type: Rational numbers

There is a new update for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we present you our newest Type, rational numbers, as well as the new renderer and parser for natural numbers, and we take a look at the latest software developments.

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Enjoy the reading! -- User:Sannita (WMF) (talk) 09:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #181 is out: New special page for missing labels, new type for Gregorian years, and much more

There is a new update for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we introduce a new special page for objects with a missing label, we present two new types (Gregorian year and Wikidata statement rank), we showcase several contributions made by you volunteers, and we take a look at the latest software developments.

Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check our archive!

Enjoy the reading! -- User:Sannita (WMF) (talk) 18:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

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Timing of the next Volunteers' Corner

As we discussed in our latest status update, we will be postponing by one week our next Volunteers' Corner from December 2 to December 9.

We are also considering to anticipate it to an earlier time slot, that would be 15:30 UTC instead of the usual 18:30 UTC. Is it ok for you? Do you prefer the new time or the old time? Let us know! Sannita (WMF) (talk) 18:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

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New Implementation of is a palindrome (Z10096)

I created a new implementation is palindrome, JS alt. impl. (Z19595) and a new test "Hä, Bierbrei? Bäh!" (Z19593) for is a palindrome (Z10096). Is there a request page where I can apply for the connection?

There are two connected tests:

- "eěe" from UTF-8 hex is a palindrome (Z10551)

- is 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 palindrome (Z10556)

which should IMHO have a result of "true" (see discussion) and are set to false. Can anyone confirm and change this? --Balû (talk) 10:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I've connected the implementation and test for you. Feel free to send me a message on my talk page and I can connect something for you. Feeglgeef (talk) 14:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

You can make requests here:Wikifunctions:Community portal#Tasks listed by users (click the reply link). GrounderUK (talk) 00:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Deletion or recategorization of WF: Notability

This is listed as a policy, but contains policy that is no longer enforced. I would recommend recategorizing it as an essay or deleting it entirely. Feeglgeef (talk) 21:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

WF:NOT actually directly contradicts this. Feeglgeef (talk) 22:08, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

It's a draft, although I think notability isn't really needed, and we can just do deletion discussions fwiw, notability for functions seems especially subjective. Zippybonzo (talk) 12:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not that we don't think it's needed, it's that it's contradictory to other policies. I think the Policy category needs to be removed from it at the minimum. Feeglgeef (talk) 14:22, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that category should be removed. It is not a policy. --Ameisenigel (talk) 16:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Removed the category, given the page is a very short draft it should never have been tagged as such without a discussion here beforehand. Zippybonzo (talk) 08:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Messed up type of output

Hi, I'm so sorry to be a bother but could someone delete this function page I created? floor of rational number (Z20032): returns the floor of a rational number

I accidentally set the output to a natural number instead of an integer. I don't see anywhere I can correct it so I think it has to be deleted? I got too excited about rational numbers, really sorry about that.

(Also, while I'm here asking for help, how would I go about getting the numerator and denominator directly in Composition? I tried to do that first but got a bit stuck and switched to JS)

Moon motif (talk) 08:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

You can change the return type by editing the function https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z20032?action=edit. I’ve already done that. The test cases fail because they still expect a natural number. You can change those too, if you like, but I think this function duplicates Z19682, in which case it’s likely to be deleted eventually. You can request this yourself at Wikifunctions:Requests for deletions

There are functions to extract the numerator and denominator (and the sign). You can see those in the second list of Z19911. (In the first list, you can see corresponding examples of the general solution.) There are also functions for extracting the numerator and denominator of the simplified representation: Z19722 and Z19724.

I’m happy to hear that you’re excited about rational numbers! If you need any more help, please don’t hesitate to ask. It would be interesting to hear, some time, how you “got a bit stuck” in the first place, as feedback into our ongoing usability improvements. GrounderUK (talk) 11:25, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Floor always rounds down right? So for negative numbers it's not a duplicate of truncate, which rounds toward zero. 99of9 (talk) 12:19, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. Feeglgeef (talk) 19:38, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense. Thanks! GrounderUK (talk) 20:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh! I didn't realize i could just edit it, haha. I think I saw a discussion here earlier about needing to delete a function for a different type and must have thought it would also apply to me. As for getting a bit stuck, I was confused because I thought I would be able to use the "Argument reference" directly to access the numerator, denominator, and sign of the rational number like a kind of "dot notation" (i.e., fraction.numerator or fraction.sign). Though, with the benefit of a good sleep, I can see why a function to get the numerator and denominator makes sense. Thanks for your help! Moon motif (talk) 19:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

The correct function if you wanted to do this was Z803. The numerator/denominator functions serve as helpful abstractions to make it easier. IMO Value by key should have a greater suggestion/presence in the UI, given it's use. Thanks. Feeglgeef (talk) 19:37, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Either way is fine by me. That’s why I favour using both in an equality function implementation like Z19911, so people can take their pick. Z803 has the drawback that the Key reference field is generally disabled the first time you select it in an implementation or test case (the ticket for that is phab:T360580). GrounderUK (talk) 20:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Discord

Thoughts on a Wikifunctions discord server or a channel in the Wikimedia discord? Personally I'm leaning for a whole server because the project is quite abstract, but just wanted to gather some thoughts here. Zippybonzo (talk) 22:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

The Telegram is really active, I don't see a need for a Discord. Feeglgeef (talk) 22:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

There's a telegram??!! News to me lol. Zippybonzo (talk) 22:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

You should join it :). It's at Feeglgeef (talk) 22:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

It is linked on Wikifunctions:Main Page… Always has been! GrounderUK (talk) 22:51, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I mean, there's a link to a link on the Main Page, but still. It's also in the section that's looked past without thinking. Feeglgeef (talk) 22:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #182 is out: WordGraph release; New Special page: list functions by tests; new type for day of the year, and much more

There is a new update for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it!

In this issue, we discuss the implications of the release of Google Zurich's WordGraph dataset, we introduce a new special page, support for other Wikidata statements and a new type (day of Roman year), and finally we take a look at the latest software developments.

Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check our archive!

Enjoy the reading! -- User:Sannita (WMF) (talk) 15:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Sannita (WMF) (talk) 17:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Search for functions, excluding test cases

I tried to search for functions involving ISBN but the result contains both actual functions such as Z16842 and test cases such as Z11708. Is there or will there be a way to differentiate both in search? JakobVoss (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Not currently, but it's planed in the future. Thanks! Feeglgeef (talk) 14:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

You can also put "Z8" in "exactly this text" in the advanced search menu, but if an object mentions Z8 and is not a function for some reason, it will still be show, but it works as a solution for the time being. Feeglgeef (talk) 14:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Not in current plans (No current plans / external) but being looked at again. GrounderUK (talk) 00:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

It's in Longer-term plans in WF:Status, so I guess that should be changed? Feeglgeef (talk) 00:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Possibly. The ticket’s still open, so I suggest we leave Current status as it is until we get some response from the team. I’ll add it to the To-do list below. GrounderUK (talk) 01:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Try

https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?fulltext=1&ns0=1&profile=advanced&search=ISBN+Z8K1&title=Special%3ASearch

Adding “Z8K1” will tend to exclude objects that are not of type Z8. (Similarly, adding “Z14K1” will tend to return only objects of type Z14 and adding “Z20K1” will tend to return only objects of type Z20.) GrounderUK (talk) 14:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

You can get even more accurate if you have it match exactly '"Z2K2": { "Z1K1": "Z8"' Feeglgeef (talk) 15:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! If every ZObjects must have Type, filtering by type seems an important criteria for search. I managed to get a list of types via https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?search=%22Z1K1%3AZ4%22&title=Special:Search&ns0=1 JakobVoss (talk) 10:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes. We do have Special:ListObjectsByType and type-specific lists like Special:ListObjectsByType/Z4 but these cannot be filtered or searched yet. Your approach using a (case insensitive) z1k1:z… search term is probably as good as it gets currently, being both reliable and relatively simple. Thank you for sharing! GrounderUK (talk) 11:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Added page Wikifunctions:Find.
• Updated tip in Wikifunctions:Status and copied to new page.
• Add comment to phab:T271963

To do:

• Link Current status page to Wikifunctions:Find
• Add Wikifunctions:Find to Wikifunctions:Community portal
• Clarify status of T271963 and update Current status if appropriate

GrounderUK (talk) 20:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)